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My Upsilon Problem

Can anyone even pronounce upsilon?

Before graduation, all my Classics instructors encouraged continued reading and study. Otherwise, we would lose a lot of what we learned. And I have.

The Greek alphabet came back quickly, which was reassuring. I expected the first few days to be mostly priming and retrieval: letters, familiar endings, the shape of words I once knew.

Then I tried to say ψυχή.

In scholarly transliteration, it is psychē. The reconstructed fifth-century Attic pronunciation is /psyː.kʰɛ̌ː/. It is decidedly NOT the English psyche, “sigh-key.”

The problem is I cannot properly pronounce upsilon because hearing and pronunciation are skills you can develop (and lose). As English does not have /y/ as a phoneme, the simplest way to make /y/ was to hold the tongue position for the vowel in feed—/i/—and round my lips. I had to start with the vowels I do have. /i/ is high and front with unrounded lips; /y/ is high and front with rounded lips; /u/ is high and back with rounded lips. The lips distinguish /i/ from /y/; the tongue position distinguishes /y/ from /u/.

IPA vowel chart showing i and y as close front vowels, unrounded and rounded respectively, and u as a close back rounded vowel.
IPA vowel chart by Grendelkhan and Nohat, via Wikimedia Commons, licensed CC BY-SA 3.0 / GFDL.

I am not particularly keen on phonetics as a field. Apparently, though, I am keen on phonetics when it turns into a pesky enough problem that I can solve through terrible vocalization attempts. (DO NOT LAUGH AT MY BAD DATA.) Twenty minutes later, I was comparing formants across ten-plus recordings. By the time I stopped, I had thirteen (with various degrees of success).

The measurements are useful because ears are highly suggestible. Very roughly, F1 tends to move with vowel height, while F2 tends to move with how front or back the tongue is. A front vowel such as /i/ usually has a higher F2 than a back vowel such as /u/; lip rounding generally lowers their resonances. Vocal tracts differ, recording conditions differ, and formant trackers make mistakes. My useful evidence came from comparing my own /i/, intended /y/, and /u/ within the same take, while paying attention to signal quality.

The workflow did not make the interpretations automatic or infallible. Several early readings were plain wrong. I had not labeled the spoken sequences, so automatic segmentation sometimes treated speech, pauses, and the wrong vowels as the tokens I meant to compare. Background noise confused detection.

Recording 11 was my breakthrough: the cleanest stable isolated /y/, with F2 mostly around 2015–2290 Hz and F1 around 340–386 Hz. It finally sounded and measured like I had kept the tongue front while rounding instead of sliding all the way back to /u/.

Recording 13 was more useful still because it contained success and failure under nearly the same conditions. In the first /i–y–u/ sequence, the contrast is audible and visible: the first /i/ sat around 2800–2870 Hz in F2, the first /y/ around 2130–2490 Hz, and /u/ around 700–1000 Hz. Later in the same take, a second /i–y/ was weaker. The second /y/, around 2500–2640 Hz, stayed too close to the preceding /i/.

Central example · Recording 13

Exercise: /i–y–u–i–y/

Chart of approximate F2 ranges in Recording 13. The first i, y, and u are clearly separated; the later y remains much closer to i.
Approximate F2 ranges from Recording 13. The first three vowels make the intended three-way contrast; the final /y/ drifts back toward /i/. These are within-take comparisons, not universal targets.

All of this was just to say ψυχή a little more honestly: not “sigh-key,” and not with upsilon quietly collapsing into either /i/ or /u/. The disproportion is ridiculous, which is part of why it was fun. I wanted one rounded vowel in one familiar word and accidentally built a mini lab experiment.

Materials

  • Surface Laptop built-in microphone
  • GitHub Copilot
  • Primary Copilot chat model: GPT-5.6 Sol
Audio notebook: all 13 attempts

These are the recordings in chronological order. “First read” preserves the interpretation made during the attempt; “Final read” records later corrections or limits. Frequency ranges are approximate and only meaningful beside the neighboring vowels and recording quality.

01 First attempt: /i–y–u–y–i/

Exercise: prompted /i–y–u–y–i/, plus additional speech and attempts.

First read: There seemed to be enough movement to start separating the vowels.

Final read: The intended /y/ often collapsed toward /u/. The unlabeled extra speech made the early automatic segmentation too messy for confident token-by-token claims.

02 First credible front-rounded attempt

Exercise: repetitions of /i–y–i/.

First read: The contrast sounded more controlled.

Final read: The first repetition was the useful one and the first credible front-rounded attempt. Later repetitions were less clear.

03 Isolated attempts, with a corrected final label

Exercise: multiple isolated attempts; the final vowel was later identified as /u/.

First read: Several segments looked like possible improvements.

Final read: Most intended /y/ attempts merged with /u/. There was only a brief pass through likely target territory, and the corrected final label changed the interpretation.

04 Every intended /y/ overlaps /u/

Exercise: /i–y–i–y–i–y–u/.

First read: Repetition might make a consistent target visible.

Final read: In this take, all intended /y/ tokens acoustically overlapped /u/. Consistent, but consistently too far back.

05 A promising glide that overshoots

Exercise: one /i → y/ glide.

First read: The continuous movement made the intended adjustment easier to inspect.

Final read: The glide passed through a plausible /y/ region around F2 ≈ 2030 Hz, then continued to a /u/-like endpoint.

06 An endpoint the signal cannot support

Exercise: /i → y/.

First read: Another glide appeared to offer a measurable endpoint.

Final read: Background noise and formant instability made that endpoint unreliable. This take should not be used to claim success or failure.

07 Clean and front, but lightly rounded

Exercise: clean /i → y/.

First read: This finally kept the tongue front instead of retreating toward /u/.

Final read: The rounded interval sat around F2 2380–2510 Hz. It was credible but still somewhat /i/-like, suggesting light rounding.

08 Too close to /i/

Exercise: clean /i → y/.

First read: Some higher-formant movement suggested lip rounding.

Final read: F2 remained around 2550 Hz or higher, too close to /i/. F3 suggested some rounding, but I likely compensated by lowering or opening rather than holding the intended vowel.

09 First clearly sustained credible /y/

Exercise: /i–y/.

First read: This sounded like the first attempt I could sustain instead of merely passing through.

Final read: A credible /y/ with F2 around 2170–2365 Hz, though F1 was slightly high.

10 Failed data, usefully

Exercise: /i–y–u–y/.

First read: A four-vowel comparison should have been especially informative.

Final read: Signal-to-noise was only about 14 dB. Only the initial /i/ was reliably measurable, so the intended contrasts cannot be graded.

11 Breakthrough: best stable isolated /y/

Exercise: /i–y/.

First read: The target sounded stable rather than transitional.

Final read: The best isolated /y/ in the set: clean, with F2 mostly around 2015–2290 Hz and F1 around 340–386 Hz.

12 Another take not worth grading

Exercise: /i–y/.

First read: The short pair seemed simple enough to compare.

Final read: Signal-to-noise was only about 15 dB. The initial /i/ could be isolated reliably; the /y/ could not, so it should not be graded.

13 Best comparison: success and failure in one take

Exercise: continuous /i–y–u–i–y/.

First read: The opening three-way contrast was the clearest demonstration yet.

Final read: First /i/ F2 ≈ 2800–2870 Hz; first /y/ ≈ 2130–2490 Hz; /u/ ≈ 700–1000 Hz; second /i/ ≈ 2665–2850 Hz; second /y/ ≈ 2500–2640 Hz and more /i/-like. The value is the internal contrast: a successful /i–y–u/ followed by a weaker /i–y/ under similar recording conditions.

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